You’re not allowed to tell anyone that they’re quoting Bible Passages “out of context” simply because it does not fit with your ill-formed opinion regarding your “Holy Text.”
You just can’t.
Other People Who Have Also Read The Bible.
funny how they only protect girls from genital mutilation but they don’t protect boys anywhere
I bet its the work of those fucking man-hating feminists
Yes, because there aren’t any feminists who are anti-circumcision. Not like myself. Or my friend here. Or many, many other feminists out there.
But yes, it must be the “fucking man-hating feminists.”
are you seriously comparing female genital mutilation to circumcision?
Don’t people realize that’s a cultural thing? It’s for religious purposes, cleanliness, and it doesn’t inhibit pleasure like Female Genital Mutilation does.
“cleanliness” isn’t even a legitimate excuse.
how about instead of unnecessary permanent body modifications to your child who is unable to even consent, oh, I don’t know… TEACH THEM to wash themselves properly? It’s not that hard, I mean you teach your kid to wipe their ass after they poop right? You wouldn’t cut off their ass cheeks for “cleanliness” would you?
Pretty sure Europe and Canada get along pretty fine taking an extra few seconds in the shower to wash out their junk. But hey, like you said, it’s a cultural thing, so in America I guess it pretty much just goes, “if it’s easier without it, snip it off.”
Except, you know, that STD’s can get caught under the foreskin and that cannot be washed away, while without it, it wouldn’t have a warm place to breed.
There’s also the issue of wanting him to look like everyone else. Who knows what he’ll be made fun of for, and why make it this?
WTF most feminists I know are anti-all circumcision instead of just anti-fgm (However anyone versed in the subject KNOWS that FGM is WORSE).
And the STD-Foreskin thing is bullshit. If you use a fucking condom guess what? You’re just as safe as someone without a foreskin. And guess what else? Circumcision damages and kills nerve-endings causing immense amounts of pain to the infant at a crucial point in brain pathway development and can lead to lasting mental health issues due to the trauma causing issues during that developmental period.
So take your BS Catholic spread propaganda and shove it up the Pope’s ass. The “health benefits” of circumcision are offset by the negative effects AND THE FACT THAT ALL “BENEFITS” can be achieved by USING A FUCKING CONDOM AND SOAP.
Male circumcision is stupid, pointless, possibly damaging, and certainly child abuse.
BUT IT DOES NOT COMPARE TO THE MUTILATION OF FEMALE GENITALS. AT ALL.
FOR FUCK’S SAKE.
Then you obviously don’t know him very well. He’s kind of a giant douche.
As anger mounts at the visit of the pope to Germany, local authorities have banned demonstrations in the vicinity of papal events. The German-born Ratzinger will begin his three day tour on 22 September in Berlin before continuing to Erfurt and Freiburg. Anti-Pope rallies are expected in all three cities. Unlike in Madrid two weeks ago, the protests are not about the cost of the visit, but about the Vatican’s reactionary teachings on birth control, abortion and the rights of homosexuals.
Plans are afoot to challenge the ban on protests by some of the 54 groups that have come together to oppose the pope’s visit. “It must be possible to hold a peaceful demonstration within ear-shot of the Bundestag,” said German Gay and Lesbian Association director Joerg Steinert. The association has spoken out against the decision to allow the Pope to speak in the German parliament.
The protesters want to rally at the Brandenburg Gate at the same time Pope Benedict is due to address parliament.
Officials gave no explanation for the ban. When Ratzinger’s predecessor, Karol Wotjyla, visited Berlinin 1996 he faced hecklers who hurled abuse and made obscene gestures as he made his way by Popemobile to the Brandenburg Gate for a farewell ceremony. Some shouted “Go to hell” and “Get lost” while a naked woman protester streaked in front of the glass-sided Popemobile. Some media reports said the vehicle was also hit by eggs or tomatoes.
Meanwhile, Berlin’s mayor, Klaus Wowereit is put into a difficult position – he is obliged to say that he welcomes the pope’s visit to Germany later this month, but he’ll be doing it through gritted teeth. Mr Wowereit is openly gay and living with a partner, something that he isn’t sure the pope is aware of. “I assume that the Pope will be informed, if it interests him, that I live with a boyfriend,” he said.
Mr Wowereit isn’t really able to officially condone the protests that are planned during the visit, but he says (not very diplomatically): “I understand, and it’s also in order, that citizens are using the Pope’s visit to draw attention here to the fact that the Catholic Church’s teaching represent theses that belong in past centuries, but not in the modern era,” he said. I have great understanding for these protests, assuming they take place within a peaceful and democratic framework. The Catholic Church will have to live with that. This also does not contradict the hospitality we should show during a state visit.”
Wowereit will meet the Pope on September 22 before the Mass at Olympic Stadium, where Ratzinger will sign the city’s golden guest book.
His welcome for the pontiff will be formal, he said. “The mayor is the mayor of this city – and that means that state visitors will be treated according to protocol and according to hospitality. This means that my personal life should not play the leading role,” said Wowereit.
He also said that Berlin’s new archbishop Rainer Maria Woelki was far from being progressive, but said there appeared to be an opportunity for dialogue. Mr Wowereit is obviously an optimist if he thinks that the Vaticanwill in any way “dialogue” with someone who defies its rules so openly. Or, in fact, hold dialogue with anyone at all. The Vatican, in its own eyes, rules the world and has no need to discuss anything.
Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, said: “It seems the pope’s visits are now always accompanied by protest. But the Vatican is becoming wise to the disastrous PR effects these protests have on the perception they try so hard to create that the pope is universally loved and respected. Some commentators have made the point that there were vast crowds of Catholics to greet the pope in Madrid last month and hardly any sign of protestors. They seem blind to the brutality with which the police drove those opposed to the visit out of the city centre.
“It looks like the pope’s little helpers in Germany are similarly seeking to dampen down any sign of dissent. First there is the ban on assembly and if anyone defies it, police brutality will follow, and the protestors will be branded as violent thugs. Soon it will be a dangerous business to express any direct opposition to these visits.”
From the National Secular Society
Interesting. See - it wasn’t only we Brits who were pissed at the Papal visit.
The Godless Bitches podcast was created by Beth Presswood to focus on feminist issues from a secular perspective and to help increase the presence of women’s voices in the secular community.
For those of us who are feminist and feel like women’s voices need to be heard within the secular/atheist community.
Florida pastor, Michael Stahl has suggested that an organization and website be created that would keep track of known atheists. The website would list by city and state all atheists with their photos and some personal information such as place of business. It would not include a physical address which seems to contradict one of the main purposes of the site.
Pastor Mike compares atheists to “convicted sex offenders , ex-convicts , terrorist cells , hate groups like the KKK , skinheads , radical Islamists , etc..” He claims that the purpose of this organization/website called, “The Christian National Registry of Atheists” is to inform the public of known atheists so that they can be proselytize to and their businesses can be boycotted.
How would a Christian proselytize to an atheist if the atheist’s physical address is not included? This author speculates that this distinction was made more for legal reasons than for practical reasons. Should an address be supplied by such a website, the organization might be held responsible for any violence that “good Christians” might perpetrate on atheists.
Interesting enough, when Christians come to my door to proselytize, I engage them in conversation and assume they take note of my location because the same groups almost never come back to proselytize to me and my family again. It seems that Pastor Mike just wants to be the next Pastor Terry Jones. This purposed organization/website seems more like a publicity stunt than a serious proposal.
Put Pastor Mike on your “watch list” to see his next stunt proposal. For the record, Pastor Mike has no actual congregation. His “church” is an internet only organization. So I guess any Christian with a website can claim to be a pastor these days.
And here’s the actual proposition:
Brothers and Sisters , I have been seriously considering forming a ( Christian ) grassroots type of organization to be named “The Christian National Registry of Atheists” or something similar . I mean , think about it . There are already National Registrys for convicted sex offenders , ex-convicts , terrorist cells , hate groups like the KKK , skinheads , radical Islamists , etc..
This type of “National Registry” would merely be forinformation purposes . To inform the public of KNOWN (i.e., self-admitted) atheists . For example , let’s say you live in Colorado Springs , Colorado , you could simply scroll down ( from the I-Net site /Blog ) I would have , to the State of Colorado , and then when you see “Colorado Springs” , you will see the names of all the self-admitted atheist(s) who live there ( e.g., if an atheist’s name happened to be “Phil Small” ) . The individual’s physical address , and other known personal information would NOTbe disclosed ( though , perhaps a photo could be ) .
Now , many (especially the atheists ) , may ask “Why do this , what’s the purpose ?” Duhhh , Mr. Atheist , for the same purpose many States put the names and photos of convicted sex offenders and other ex-felons on the I-Net – to INFORM the public ! I mean , in the City of Miramar , Florida , where I live , the population is approx. 109,000 . My family and I would sure like to know how many of those 109,000 are ADMITTED atheists ! Perhaps we may actually know some . In which case we could begin to witness to them and warn them of the dangers of atheism . Or perhaps they are radical atheists , whose hearts are as hard as Pharaoh’s , in that case , if they are business owners , we would encourage all our Christian friends , as well as the various churches and their congregations NOTto patronize them as we would only be “feeding” Satan .
Frankly , I don’t see why anyone would oppose this idea – including the atheists themselves ( unless of course , they’re actually ashamed of their atheist religion , and would prefer to stay in the ‘closet.’ ) .
This is seriously just a fucking ridiculous thing to advocate for. There are reasons many atheists feel scared to come out, and this guy - as PZ says - is one of them.
I love the whole atheist=convicted sex-offender thing.